tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32776756.post3377087856209707619..comments2023-10-20T18:03:01.821+09:00Comments on GlobalTalk 21: Thomas Friedman Never Lets the Facts Get in the Way of a Good Story and Other Nasty ThoughtsJun Okumurahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00291478225274759649noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32776756.post-14085322532047086982009-02-04T22:46:00.000+09:002009-02-04T22:46:00.000+09:00Um, that’s the piece I linked to at the beginning ...Um, that’s the piece I linked to at the beginning of the post? (Insert smiley icon.) G’night. Really.Jun Okumurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00291478225274759649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32776756.post-37781601499968533092009-02-04T20:45:00.000+09:002009-02-04T20:45:00.000+09:00Have you read this piece?http://www.nypress.com/ar...Have you read this piece?<BR/>http://www.nypress.com/article-19271-flat-n-all-that.htmlRoy Bermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02404504492160833658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32776756.post-11996407529381907622009-02-01T18:01:00.000+09:002009-02-01T18:01:00.000+09:00Infinity and Mind? Me salve Deus! (See, I’m speaki...<I>Infinity and Mind</I>? Me salve Deus! (See, I’m speaking in tongues.)Jun Okumurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00291478225274759649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32776756.post-5578581749436858512009-02-01T17:51:00.000+09:002009-02-01T17:51:00.000+09:00I believe I have all of his non-fiction books exce...I believe I have all of his non-fiction books except the textbookey ones about programming, and all the fiction except two early once I've never been able to find. "Infinity and the Mind" is certainly not the easiest of reads, although "The Fourth Dimension" is far more approachable. Maybe give some of the fiction a lot. It'll still blow your mind a bit, but at least you'll probably be giggling the whole time. The recent "Mathematicians in Love" was one of the most fun books I've read in a while.Roy Bermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02404504492160833658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32776756.post-9291637705839563762009-02-01T17:42:00.000+09:002009-02-01T17:42:00.000+09:00Roy, I stupidly bought one of his non-fiction book...Roy, I stupidly bought one of his non-fiction books. I think that some of my brain cells fell loose when I tried to make my way through it and are stranded to this day in an alternative universe. (That would explain a lot of things.)Jun Okumurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00291478225274759649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32776756.post-53154288278020398542009-02-01T17:28:00.000+09:002009-02-01T17:28:00.000+09:00Oh sure, you can fit in loads more dimensions, but...Oh sure, you can fit in loads more dimensions, but explaining it in these terms is about as good as I can do since I have no idea what the actual math is. For better explanations, check out some writing by the aforementioned Rudy Rucker-both fiction and non-fiction.Roy Bermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02404504492160833658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32776756.post-55265425241751025932009-02-01T17:26:00.000+09:002009-02-01T17:26:00.000+09:00The theory of wormholes appears to be a little mor...The theory of wormholes appears to be a little more complex than a fourth dimension, Roy, but I’ll leave it at that, since I never got beyond three-dimensional geometry.<BR/><BR/>And Roy, Habiru, I too found Friedman’s first book on the Middle East moving. And sober. Perhaps he overcompensates for the frustration he must feel at seeing the Palestine-Israel question no closer to resolution after all these years.Jun Okumurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00291478225274759649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32776756.post-50845643906308252782009-02-01T17:14:00.000+09:002009-02-01T17:14:00.000+09:00My bad, Janne, for doubting you. From now on, I’ll...My bad, Janne, for doubting you. From now on, I’ll make sure to take note of your deadpan approach. If I need a smiley face, then I don’t deserve the honor of our jokes.<BR/><BR/>The difference between a simile and a metaphor is often hard to notice because it’s not a difference in the subject and the description or the sense that connecting the two conveys but in the underlying logic of each type of connection that gives rise to the distinction. In conversation, it’s not something that your mind makes it a priority to track, so it would not be out of the ordinary to misidentify.Jun Okumurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00291478225274759649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32776756.post-37911532073095532072009-02-01T16:55:00.000+09:002009-02-01T16:55:00.000+09:00Jun, sorry - I meant my comment in jest as well. O...Jun, sorry - I meant my comment in jest as well. On rereading it I realize I should have added a smiley to my first sentence.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, I can honestly state that I really do not know the precise difference between a simile and a metaphor. Or, for that matter, readily describe the difference between verbs, adverbs, adjectives and adjectival nouns (not to mention the two different types of adjective in Japanese). <BR/><BR/>The field of linguistics and grammar is one where I am surprisingly deficient, considering how many years I've spent trying to learn one language or another.Jan Morenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06834641501438709866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32776756.post-77849084099410782152009-02-01T16:39:00.000+09:002009-02-01T16:39:00.000+09:00Habiru: I'm not sure that winning two Pulitzers fo...Habiru: I'm not sure that winning two Pulitzers for Middle East war reporting necessarily qualifies one to theorize about the future of business. The knowledge and skill sets are fairly different, even if one hopes that he could do a better job. I do fail to see why he won a third prize for his columns though.Roy Bermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02404504492160833658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32776756.post-79775102132418142442009-02-01T16:38:00.000+09:002009-02-01T16:38:00.000+09:00If I may indulge myself...A wormhole is actually a...If I may indulge myself...<BR/>A wormhole is actually a visualization of travel through the fourth dimension. To illustrate, take a sheet of paper, one side of which will represent a two-dimensional universe because any point on the surface of the paper, regardless of how you bend it, can be represented with two dimensional coordinates. Mark two points anywhere on one side of the paper. Now bend the paper so that the two points meet. Next, make a hole through both of those points. Voila, you have created a wormhole between two faraway points in a two dimensional universe by bending space in a mysterious third dimension unknowable to the inhabitants of Flatland. Now just imagine a four dimensional entity (perhaps you would like to call him God) bending our three-dimensional universe inside his 4d world as easily as we bend the sheet of paper.Roy Bermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02404504492160833658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32776756.post-80384261744205300402009-02-01T16:30:00.000+09:002009-02-01T16:30:00.000+09:00Thank you for that very well written critique of F...Thank you for that very well written critique of Friedman. I was an employee at Red Hat when Friedman was invited to speak to us at headquarters.<BR/><BR/>It was absolutely amazing how sure he was of himself regarding theory and understanding of FLOSS, even amongst most of the pioneers and leaders of the movement.<BR/><BR/>Nevertheless, his opinions about that topic were also grossly simplified. It was as if he formed his opinions top down, thinking of a catchy slogan "The World is Flat," and then bending events so they fit into his simplified catchphrase.<BR/><BR/>Not the type of simplicity (the "for simplicity's sake" type) I expect from a Pulitzer Prize winner.井上エイドhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15700479276928374081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32776756.post-3965305553290306022009-02-01T15:46:00.000+09:002009-02-01T15:46:00.000+09:00I was just having fun, though, Janne. It belongs t...I was just having fun, though, Janne. It belongs to the category of things that we know and would always identify correctly if asked explicitly but regularly misspeak of in our daily speech. I believe it come up as a couple of quick lines in an episode in <I>Brothers & Sisters</I>, fourth season. It worked because the point being made was an instantly understandable, immediately recognizable phenomenon.Jun Okumurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00291478225274759649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32776756.post-31790315903113690642009-02-01T15:23:00.000+09:002009-02-01T15:23:00.000+09:00"BTW I think it's a metaphor, not a simile HAHAHA...."BTW I think it's a metaphor, not a simile HAHAHA..."<BR/><BR/>Ah, this is one of those "liberal education" things I've vaguely heard about, yes?<BR/><BR/>Just goes to illustrate how someone can be fairly expert in their own field and still a complete doofus in any other.Jan Morenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06834641501438709866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32776756.post-23469944233461788762009-02-01T09:59:00.000+09:002009-02-01T09:59:00.000+09:00Information technology is the fourth dimension, al...Information technology is the fourth dimension, although transportation continues to impose a physical limit. And yes, people understood what Friedman meant, but didn’t catch what he actually said. In fact, it was only after it was explained that anyone could connect the phrase to the idea. It was the incessant force with which he drummed it into you that made it stick, which goes back to my assessment. It still doesn’t mean that a “flat” world is an appropriate metaphor for “globalization” in any case.<BR/><BR/>I think there’s an early Greg Bear homage to Tesla where the author uses the fourth dimension to good effect. In fact, I suspect that it must have been a popular item in the SF writer’s tool kit until it was superseded by the wormhole.Jun Okumurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00291478225274759649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32776756.post-80186658162498265352009-02-01T03:31:00.000+09:002009-02-01T03:31:00.000+09:00Although I find Friedman annoying much of the time...Although I find Friedman annoying much of the time, for similar reasons, I don't actually have anything wrong with his book title. It works perfectly well as a metaphor, and people understand what he means. Of course you can't take it literally even as a metaphor, and a sphere isn't all that much better. After all, the distance between points on a sphere can still vary rather greatly, although not as much as on the Discworld. For a structure in which all points are equally near and yet still has a sense of place (i.e. not a singularity), I think you need to move into higher dimensions for something like a tesseract or a hypercube. But of course "The World is a Hypercube" would not be a good title for Tom Friedman, although it certainly could be a Rudy Rucker story about a gnarly mad scientist who revolutionizes global transport through hyperdimensional travel.Roy Bermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02404504492160833658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32776756.post-56567929583633863592009-02-01T00:58:00.000+09:002009-02-01T00:58:00.000+09:00Janne:You state with scientific elegance and preci...Janne:<BR/><BR/>You state with scientific elegance and precision what I awkwardly tried to explain by imagining myself at the <I>edge of a "flat world".</I><BR/><BR/>BTW I think it's a metaphor, not a simile HAHAHA...Jun Okumurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00291478225274759649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32776756.post-75046806547032021442009-02-01T00:26:00.000+09:002009-02-01T00:26:00.000+09:00My main beef with Friedman (apart from the points ...My main beef with Friedman (apart from the points you bring up already) is the simple geometric fact that a flat world is the one with the <I>greatest</I> distance between points; he is not just willing to sacrifice facts for his imagery, not even his own badly thought out similies are safe.<BR/><BR/>On a scale where serious, solid, high-quality social science research occupies one end, he is carelessly sprawled out somewhere towards the other one.Jan Morenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06834641501438709866noreply@blogger.com